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Nice not bad. I got $20 off my Baker Mayfield drop

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That's pretty good. I'm not doing any challenges this week. It's just not worth it. Especially for series 2 nfts

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Yeah the challenges are just a money pit we don't need to go down

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Series number two will not be as valuable as number one

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Agreed. Austin Eckler did sell

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That's good. I didn't like the numbers on Austin Eckler

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It's good at sold plus I believe you used that money to buy Russell Wilson

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Yeah u did good. Nice find with Russell. He's pretty impressive and the nft will be good this year. Getting serial numbers under 50 is nicer. Sell the 100 level and even the high two digit. Now is the time to switch to lower serial numbers.

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Yes we've gotten a lot of lower numbers now. You're right we should sell the higher numbers

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I have that one 89 in for Russell but it's not really selling

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I think that's a good trade of players

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Yeah Russell Wilson and Allen are hot. Quarterbacks nfts are better than running backs.

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Josh Allen is very hot because people think he's going to win the Super Bowl

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I think he will too. Bills are good finally. Allen is the best qb and maybe Herbert.

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I agree its these young quarterbacks that are hot!

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I agree Allen is the best right now

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Josh Allen is hot and the best qb for nfts right now

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Yeah he's pretty hot hopefully it's not a phase LOL

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Josh Allen is not a phase. He'll be the hottest qb in the NFL with the Bills

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Yes he probably the real deal.

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Yeah I think so. Someone bought Burrow 52. It was a good deal.

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Yeah it's pretty good deal. Though that I don't like the number that much

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But time will tell how good he actually is

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U like Herman Moore number 1 nft. In time his nft will be good

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Yeah I do like that. And it's the number one. Not sure we'll get that opportunity again at that price

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I still like Russell Wilson a lot! He's already established and Hall of Famer

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Yeah he's not doing great with Denver yet. He will pick it up.

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Yeah hes not doing well. He could be passed his prime

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It doesn't seem like as many people are on this challenge

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Challenges are just too expensive. Not for me.

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I agree what are the guys on the board saying about it? Are they actually doing the new challenge

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Yeah there is still a lot of interest in them. I'm not sure why though. It's not worth the money

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I agree this challenge does not seem very good. It's just takes too much money to buy a card

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Everybody just gets enthusiastic about these things. The NFL has a way of motivating

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True but the cost is too high. Nice Russell Wilson jersey match. It's a keeper.

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I agree the cost is way too high for this challenge

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Peo]People go gangbusters into the challenge because it's the NFL without looking at the costs

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Yeah that's true they're going all in without seeing the cost.

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People on boards are starting to complain for costs of challenges. It's too much pay.

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I'm surprised it took him this long to figure that out.

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I've been thinking that all along it's just too expensive

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They should have just burned those moments. Now they kind of got the people up in arms that the challenges are rip offs

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Yeah there is a new challenge out. I'm not doing it though because reward is also series 2 which won't be worth as much. And you have to burn 5 moments to enter challenge.

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So do you think people are entering this challenge?

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The nft moments for the Thursday challenge are not going up that much which would mean less people in challenges. Makes sense after 2 weeks of challenges.

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Yeah it seems like it's really losing Steam

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I posted a comment in the chat to burn the Unavailable moments as the debut solid moments are falling right now.

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Good. Hopefully they will listen!

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I posted to burn some Unavailable nfts. Some of the challenge dudes love the burn and play.

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Well hopefully they listen did anyone respond to you?

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NFL all day is going to have to figure out some other strategy

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Agreed a lot of people saying the same thing on board

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Yes they need to figure this stuff out

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Yeah it's kinda a mess with all the nfts dropping. I hope they figure it out.

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Also challenge this weekend and series 2 pack drop Tuesday.

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Are you going to do the pack drop on tuesday? :-) it's all series 2 right?

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No way pack drop Tuesday is 59 bucks or 299 for series 2. I'm not doing it.

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That's crazy I don't know how they're going to be able to sell that to the People series number two

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That's crazy I don't know how they're going to be able to sell that to the People series number two

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I'm not sure either...unless they guarantee a rare or legendary nft.

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They might have to get people to actually do the drop

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Yes people will do the drop tomorrow because there are some rookie debut nfts people will seek after.

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Do you know what rookies they're going to be released?

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They will drop the 219 pack first in the am and the 59 dollar pack later in the afternoon.

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That's crazy I wonder if they even be able to get through the drop

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They got to just burn these unavailable in series 1

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Do you know how many are dropping?

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I don't know the pack drop numbers for Tuesday only one is 59 bucks the other 299

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Yeah it's pretty expensive for series two pack drop

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Yes agreed. I sent you the series 2 pack contents.

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That doesn't seem like a good deal at all to do them.

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If they burn 100k nfts it will help stabilize the market significantly.

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That's what they said they're going to do originally. Do you think they'll make an announcement to do that?

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As of now they're just making people burn their own

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I don't think they're going to be fulfill the whole drop on series 2

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Maybe not but they will let people go 2 or 3 times in the queue.

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I'm surprised people actually want to get in it again. When they get nothing out of it LOL. It's like the lottery

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Yeah agreed but without very good odds.

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Not worth it

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Yeah for some reason series 2 nft moments are staying up in price, not sure why though.

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They are? I wonder why

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Because serves 2 is some good players without any moments and debuts so the price is staying up.

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Do you think it was worth it to be in the drop? Should we have done it

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No I don't believe the nft drop was worth it for series 2 though there are some debuts.

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There is a rare side challenge I think you can do because you have some rares.

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Okay. I'll have to check what I qualify for in that challenge

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Yeah I think you have most of the rares for that challenge

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I think I have all of them but I'm missing one that I have to buy

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Yeah you have to purchase a rare defensive back to complete the challenge.

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It'll probably cost you 40 or 50 bucks to complete it.

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I will lose a little when I go to resell it but I think it's worth it

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Yeah you might lose 10 or 15 bucks buying the moment then reselling after challenge.

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But yeah I guess it's worth it to buy that one for the challenge this weekend. I might lose a 15 bucks

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Yeah I would do it up if I were u. It is a good bet for 10 or 15 bucks.

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Yeah you're right I think it's probably a good bet at that price

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Yeah let's go for 100 yards. Challenges bro!

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Yeah I guess we can almost reach 100 yd. Or at least close

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Let's hope so...Trevor Lawrence is doing well. Jacksonville might go to 3-1

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Geno Smith is actually playing really well for the Seahawks. They might beat the Lions

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Well that's surprising. Maybe we should have picked him up LOL

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Yeah we got some good sets though and did the best we could. Nice work beav.

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Yes true we did the best we could. Probably went above even our means LOL

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The new MNF challenge and EOW challenges are out. Let's talk tonight after MNF. We do already have some nft moments. Go Rams!

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Yeah the Rams didn't win. That's okay though we can still accomplish the challenge

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Yeah bummer about the Rams loss. It cost us 10 yards. Hopefully packs will do well.

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Yeah that was a bummer we could have ended up with some more yards that they won

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Yeah I was a big time Rams fan for the Monday night game.

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Yeah you really feeling the Rams.:-)

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Yeah I was feeling the Rams...until they lost lol

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Yeah but the Rams weren't feeling it Monday night LOL

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Yeah I wasn't feeling the Rams. mi thought they would win on Monday night though.

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The Rams need O'Dell beckham jr back soon. He's still out from knee surgery.

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We probably should have put on nft moment on the Rams win and one on the 49ers to be safe. Oh well.

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Yeah hindsight's 20/20. I think we were pretty confident the Rams are going to take it

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Haha yeah we should have bet on 49ers and Rams and got the 10 yards lol

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Yeah it's okay we live and learn. Next time we can pick both teams LOL

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We can buy some of the moments that we all have. It's all about the challenge :-)

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Maybe we keep some 9f the common nft moments we purchased for this challenge?

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Yeah sounds good. We'll keep going at it :-)

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We got some really good ones! Lot of Jersey matches and ones too

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Yeah I think the quarterback nft moments will do fine.

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I agree probably the best of the breed

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Yea let's see how we do on the challenges bro...

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Yep everybody thinks it's all about the challenges. No value in investing anymore

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Yeah challenges bro...it'll change though and there will be value in good nft moments with lower serial numbers

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Yeah I agree. Even the low numbers are hard to find right now for the good players

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Yeah people are still buying the low serial number nfts and jersey match

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Keep looking for those please. Nice find on Thurman Thomas

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Hopefully we pull a legendary nft of an NFL star

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Yeah that'd be pretty awesome to pull legendary. But you think we can even sell it?

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Yeah let's get a legendary in pack drop. Yeah maybe tough to sell though.

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Yeah legendary would be awesome! I think we find out tomorrow right?

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Yeah let's snag a legendary in the nft drop. That would be awesome!

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Yes pray for a good one!:-)

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Yes agreed I get 12 moments and u 6 nfts. Let's get good ones.

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Well I didn't do that bad. Just that one number two rare helped out tons!

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You weren't really having a lucky day LOL

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Yeah my challenge drop was not so great. Maybe 160 bucks lol

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It wasn't too bad at least it brought in a little cash

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Yeah you did pretty well...me all common nfts lol

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Yeah the only real chance for success is a legendary nft moment. But the odds are slim...

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You did well with Mike Williams rare nft 2. That's a good rip and he is actually a good receiver for LA Chargers.

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Yes that was very fortunate! If not for that one though it would have just been average LOL

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Mine was lol... maybe we do this weeks challenges if easy? We'll see Sunday night.

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Yes maybe we can do them if there's not much cost to buying other ones to meet the challenge

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Yea I think we do have some of the nfts for Monday night football.

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I guess we'll have to look at the challenges and see how many yards we get. So we have the Monday night one you think?

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Yes but make sure you pick the teams before Sunday nfl because you get yards for that.

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Okay I went through and picked them. Hopefully we picked the right ones LOL

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Haha yeah hopefully we pick some of the NFL winners today. We need a couple at least.

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I'm up to 7 yards on my challenge page lol a ways from the 100 yards

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Do you think you're going to go for the challenge? I'm not sure if it's worth it for me

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Plus we got to burn five moments to be in the challenge

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You know we sold that number Williams and then bought the Mac Jones number three :-)

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Kinda true. I didn't think of it like that. yeah your packs paid for Mac Jones number 3 nft. Nice!

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Yeah it paid for the Mac Jones 3 :-)

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Yeah true it kinda did pay for the Mac Jones 3 nft

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Yeah kind of did pay for it which was cool

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Yeah keep looking for those 100 to buck moments with lower serial numbers.

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Yes the cheap good steals:-) people just list stuff cuz they want to get back in the challenge

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Yeah even tom Brady nfts are down now both commons and rare moments.

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Yes you're right even Tom Brady is not doing well. Hopefully NFL all day Growing Pains maybe in time I'll work itself out :-)

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There is a series 2 pack drop Tuesday with a premium and standard pack. Standard is 59 bucks.

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Are you going to do the pack drop?:-) I think I already know your answer

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I don't think I'm doing challenges. Only the pick your team for the free pack. And you?

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Yeah I think I agree with you about the challenges. Maybe not worth it

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Unless we can easily get up over 100 yards without buying much

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Yeah no challenges this week. It's way too expensive. Though with 30 yards we do ge1 nft without having to burn.

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That's fine. I don't think it's really worth it anyway to do the challenges

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Naw they need to burn series 1 Unavailable. Prices are too low for series 1 and challenges are not worth the cost even to get series 1 debut nfts.

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Yes burning the rest of series 1 would really help. They need to do something for the prices

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Agreed. You need 1 more yard bro for the 1 star nft pack. Where is your yard?

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Raiders are battling the Chiefs tonight. We got the Chiefs for 5 yards in the challenge!

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Yeah nice work. Mills jersey match nft is up for 2k. What do you think?

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Nice work getting that one though mac Jones is hurt and won't play for New England this weekend

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Yeah seem like a good number three and really inexpensive for what he's been in the past

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Yeah great find... you are doing good searching. Nice work.

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Yes I'm good finds. The market kind of sucks not in our favor for all the ones we own. But maybe we can try to pick some really Elite ones and cheap:-)

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I agree there! Just look for awesome deals. I don't see any right now but there is a new pack drop coming Monday so more moments will be released.

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The packed up Monday is this series too correct?

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No the pack drop is this Tuesday but it's only series 2 with standard and premium pack drop.

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Burrow didn't quite pull it out tonight for Cincinnati...

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How did he play. Some guys were watching I talked to them and he says he's an awesome quarterback.

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Burrow played well. Trevor Lawrence not as much this week. Not sure why.

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So Joe played really good this week? He's something special

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Yeah Burrow lost though again. He played well. Ravens are tough especially when playing at home.

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How about you guys stop abusing self upvotations through the comment section?

You two have a voting ring and that is not permitted on Hive. If someone decides to report you your accounts can get blacklisted.

I am not going to report you guys. But you guys need to seriously stop this if you don't want to continue getting downvoted.

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They most likely will continue. Somee has made it quite clear there is nothing wrong with it even when we all know it’s wrong

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Oh trust me. There is something wrong with it. There is a reason why they are on a spam list and their reputation is so low. They are not only spamming. They are also violating Hive rules. If they continue, i am going to get a few more whales to spam downvote all of their posts on a daily basis. You can make so much SME by interacting with people, rather than being selfish.

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Yeah agreed. We have not been able to post to SoMee for a very long time. I talked with SoMee support and they recommended waiting for the new platform. I put well over 10k into SoMee on the old platform and it was worth about 1.5k with the new platform. I bought at least another 10k on Tribaldex for well over 20k in investment. Again, we have not been able to post on SoMee.

I will start trying to post today - hopefully it will work ok. If not, I will get with Christopher and SoMee support, until I can post on SoMee. Take care...

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Hi John. None of us can post to SoMee from the SoMee platform yet. Most of us using the platform now are posting from PeakD, Ecency or somee.blog.

You can post like us through Ecency, PeakD or Somee.blog. there is no problem with upoving your own posts as well. Just that two of you making comments and upvoting yourself and your own comments is a violation of Hive rules and you can get reported.

Somebody brought this to my attention that you guys were doing this. Before you get into trouble i rather downvote your content and let you know why rather than see someone report you and screw your account.

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Hi Joseph, I completely understand. However, we have not been able to monetize on SoMee for many months. I was just able to do my first post on SoMee and it says it's monetized, however it doesn't show up on somee.blog. Again, we haven't been able to monetize any posts for a long time, but would love post on SoMee again. Take care!

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Correct, you can't monetize on SoMee.. Neither can i. But you can monetize here on Hive and post to the Blockchain with no problems.

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Thank you! Yeah, we have not been able to monetize posts on somee.social for many many months. I talked with Christopher about this weeks ago, then got with somee support, who suggested we wait for the new platform. I can now monetize on somee.social, but understand those posts are not going to somee.blog yet.

I was able to post on somee.blog - thank you - however I can't upload photos. I tried to post a photo on Ecency and clicked "somee official", but have no clue where that post went lol

Thanks you!

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Most excellent. I sold my Taysom Hill nft. He's hot right now after the weekend games.

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If Cincinnati Bengals would have won that's 5 yards baby!

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Yeah I saw they lost

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And Sunday night and Sunday slate challenge are too difficult because Lamar Jackson nft is like 70 bucks

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Yes those Sunday night slates are pretty hard to get there's too many moments

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To pay for the Sunday slate challenge it's hundreds of dollars...

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Probably no challenges for me this week

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It's not a good challenge I think. It cost too much

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Yeah just go for 30 yards this week. It would be 500 bucks plus to get to 100 yards. At 100 yards you get 12 nft moments.

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I don't think we're going to want any series 2 on Marketplace?

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No series 2 nfts. Though some nft moments are from rookies so it's their debut.

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Too many moments required for me to complete challenges. It would be hundreds of bucks.

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Maybe next week I'll complete the challenges. Though we do get 1 free pack this week.

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But the 1 star pack only has 1 nft lol hopefully it's a good one!

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I guess we'll just get one moment this week :-)

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Yeah 30 yards is the 1 star pack with just 1 moment. U should get that...

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Although there's weakness in the market but still seems like a good buy

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Especially Russell Wilson, he played better yesterday, Joe Burrow is coming around, Trevor Lawrence is breaking out and of course Josh Allen

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Yeah I agree I think it was a good move focusing on the quarterbacks

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Yeah quarterbacks especially Trevor Lawrence, Russell Wilson, Joe Burrow and Josh Allen. OC sniper bought the Justin Herbert jersey match debut nft.

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Yeah I think you're right the quarterbacks of the hottest. Even when the market turns they will be first

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Yeah agree quarterbacks quarterbacks quarterbacks. They will hold their value.

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Especially Burrow, josh Allen, Trevor Lawrence who is upcoming and Russell Wilson. Mahommes and Herbert are stellar too.

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Yeah there's pretty amazing quarterbacks actually right now. There's a lot of hype but they kind of deserve it

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I'm in time will tell how they all do. Mahomes is the one with the championship out of the young quarterbacks

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Yeah I'm surprised that the Mahomes debut nft moment is down so much...

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I'm surprised the NFL all day let's it go down that far. He's the main star

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But burrow did make it to the finals! :-)

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Yeah Burrow is super bowl qb. They almost won too! Go Bengals

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Yeah he's one I'm okay withholding long term. He's that good I think

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OC is going to own a majority of the Jersey matches and number ones LOL

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Yeah I think OC will be fine in the future. Jersey will be fine down the road.

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Yeah I agree. I don't think OC is worried. He's a collector

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Yeah OC sniper is down a lot...but time will tell.

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How do you know OC is down a lot? You can just tell by what he owns. He doesn't own a lot of Jersey matches and number ones which are kind of hard to put a price on

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It doesn't seem like he's too worried about it LOL

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These are nft from the nfl and first series!

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Yes hopefully series 1 will hold its value and become collectors items

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I think lower serial number series 1 nfts will hold value in future.

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I like the number ones in Jersey matches won't go down that much

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If they ever collapse we know we're in trouble lol

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Plus you're right Russell Wilson is the legend from what he did in Seattle

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Yeah loving the Russell Wilson jersey match 3 nft we got! Nice pick up bro!

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Yeah that Russell Wilson was very good. Little lucky :-)

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Yeah for 1600 Russell jersey. It took all night to get that one lol

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Yeah it did. You were trying to raise funds all night I slept and then woke up and saw the 1600 LOL

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Well we got it though pretty cool

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Yeah some work for Russell jersey match. Nice job good nft moment.

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Yeah that's a really good one! I'm thinking that maybe Thurman Thomas right now is another good one LOL

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I need one defensive player. Hopefully he hasn't been going up because of the challenge! Maybe I should buy it soon

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Yeah you should probably go for it! It's 40 bucks but you'll get back 30 or so and maybe much more!

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Yes you're probably right seems like I should be able to make more back

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I hope so... go Buffalo Bils and LA Rams! Hopefully that challenge goes well

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We need our teams to win so we get their yards LOL

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Yeah buffalo did with Josh Allen. Now we need the Rams to win for 10 more yards in the challenge.

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Let's talk about it on Sunday okay

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Agreed let's talk Sunday night after all the games are complete to see if it's worth it.

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Yeah let's talk in a little bit and figure out the challenge

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Nic3 Burrow nft 32. Hope the packs do us well...

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Agree. The market is weak but I think that still is a good buy

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The nflallday nft market will strengthen. It's still early and the nfl.

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Yeah I agree it will strengthen in time. You're right it's the NFL hard to imagine them not successful

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Plus if you think about it the low numbers are going to be almost impossible to get when more people come on board

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Yeah let's talk in a little bit and figure out the challenge

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Okay the running backs Penny, Saquon Barkley and Derek Henry all are over 100 yards rushing and we have those guys.

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Also the Buffalo Bills pulled out a victory which gives us 10 yards in the challenge

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There should be rewards pack nft drop starting today and going through Thursday Friday

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Great there will be be more unavailable enough to use on the market LOL

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Yeah true however a lot are being paid with rewards

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So I guess people are excited about the rewards. I mean that's good for the project

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Even though we may not be into it I guess other people are

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Yeah challenges are huge as people watch each nfl game

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It's good that they're being successful. Seems like a lot of challenges to try to get the people involved

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Challenges are the wave of the future with nflallday

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Challenges are here to stay huh

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Yeah agreed. This week's challenge is not as difficult. Maybe we can get 100 yards.

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I'm not too into him but we have so many cards that I guess we should do them

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Seeing it as an investment might take a little while for people

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Yeah a lot of people have a lot of money in this. Hopefully it will turn around soon.

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Yeah i think in the future it'll be fine it would just take some more time

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Yeah true! I think it will be fine in the future. If they keep burning collectors will be in future!

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So they only ones not staying up and Dubuque are the good ones the non-dibutes series 1:-)

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Yeah it's a lottery. Only if you get a ultimate is it a jackpot.

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Yeah it is a lottery. I think Lottery has better odds LOL

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Are there people on the board saying they got anything good?

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Most saying junk commons. But the floor on series 2 is staying up real well. So they should get a roi.

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The floor of series 2 is higher probably because now there are Unavailable for series 2 lol

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So people are saying they got junk almonds?

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Yeah junk almonds lol yeah regular "commons "

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Haha. Junk almonds are junk Commons

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Yeah junk almonds and junk common nfts. Maybe 10 bucks each...

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Commons not almonds LOL

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Haha yeah I know. When you say Burrow it translates girl. Took me a while to figure that one out.

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LOL. Dang typos

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Haha yeah Burrow or girl lol I couldn't figure it out for a bit.

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Burrow

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Yeah we're getting some Burrow. He'll be fine!

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We have a great set on him now

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Yeah we are set on Burrow... and Russell Wilson we're full of nfts

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Yes our sets are pretty awesome on those guys!

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I agree go Burrow and Wilson. Nice sets there beav!

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Yeah I agree. We ended up with a really really good set on both of those guys.

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I don't even think we set out to do that but it just kind of happens :-)

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It doesn't seem to have the same enthusiasm as a last challenge :-)

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Yeah agreed. It will come back though. We'll get through it.

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I agree. It may take more time than we think but I think long run will be good

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I agree. It may take more time than we think but I think long run will be good

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Agreed it's the NFL so digital moments in the form of nfts should be fine.

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Yes I agree it should be fine in the future it could be the trend

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I told you I saw an ad on NFL Network for NFL all day!

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I think people feel they have to spend way too much to even get anything out of it

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Yeah moments are not going up in price as much with this challenge. The reward isn't there.

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I agree. The word is not that good. They really are going to have trouble getting people to buy into it

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Yeah wow the Russell one was amazing

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Yeah Russell Wilson jersey number 3. Pretty amazing how that went down. Nice work.

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Yeah that was amazing we got him! Somehow that came together

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Yeah totally agree. Nice work staying up and getting him

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Yes you too! That was one of our better ones we got

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Yeah very surprising to get his jersey nft. Very nice.

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So I had to go through a few Hoops it was certainly worth it!

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Go Russell! :-)

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Yeah I'm liking the joe Burrow too!

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Yeah that Joe Borough number two is pretty cool.

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Yeah agree if we can pick up Burrow 2 that would be cool

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Yeah that would go well with our set of him

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Yes Burrow 2 is the way to go. He'll figure it out. Hopefully his O line will improve

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Yeah he's a great quarterback. He took him to the finals in the second year. I think can be a great one

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Yes Burrow will turn it around. He just needs better offensive line play.. badly.

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Yes he will turn it around. I think there's something special about him actually.

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Yeah he'll be fine. Trevor Lawrence with Jacksonville is doing well. They are 2-1.

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Yes Trevor Lawrence beat the Chargers. He's pretty good

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I think that's the first time that being a little while. Julie was upset LOL

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I remember watching him when the championship with Clemson.

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Yeah joe Burrow will be fine. He won today and Cincinnati is now off the shcnide.

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It's good Joe one. That kind of broke the losing streak

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Hopefully it will come down a little :-)

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Yeah hopefully to the 800 range?

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Yeah that would be good in that range

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Yeah I would like the Burrow 2. That's a great moment.

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Yeah the Joe two would be really cool. If he came down a little

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I agree...but how much? He may only come down to 800 on the Burrow 2 nft. Remember there is a pack drop Tuesday too.

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Yeah if we can get them for $800 the number two would be worth it

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I think if we get through Sunday and no one buying the number two he'll lower it

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Maybe that could be our last one. Like the OC I am tapped out too :-)

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Russell Wilson the legend :-)

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They'll probably start incorporating the series 2

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That's the thing, if series 2 nfts are in the challenge it's not worth it to do it.

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Series 2 i have no interest in lol

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Agreed it's not worth the investment to buy the moments, burn, then buy for the challenge

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Yes I totally agree

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Yeah most guys are tapped out of cash. They announced series 2 nfts are being minted. We need that.

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Yeah everyone is Tapped Out. Even we are :-)

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Yeah even OC sniper lol. They need to progress forward to the next series soon. Everyone is tapped.

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Yeah I can't believe OC sniper is Tapped Out.

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Yeah it's very surprising. OC has millions into it.

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Yeah there for a while I thought his pockets we're never ending Deep Pockets LOL

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He got a lot of Jersey Matches and number ones

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I thought his wallets were endless buckets!:-)

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Yeah but even OC isn't endless bank. It's been going for a while now and he's tapped.

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Yeah I bet he put Millions into it. I wonder if he is really tapped out or says he is

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He probably has more cash...but waiting to see project successful

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Hopefully it is successful we put a lot into it

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I saw he was still buying stuff even lately

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Seems like you to put more money than you actually get out of it. And all your time

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The debut nfts are falling in value because they're not used in challenges. Not great right now. They will right it though.

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Yes I noticed everything is really low right now

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What are they going to do to make it right?

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Maybe it's because it's serious too and everybody knows it's not going to be as valuable

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