RE: Greywarden > I am currently trying to report the following accounts, and more for runni
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You know why this user was downvoted and if you don't please refer to your own post below where @traciyork explains it at length.
https://peakd.com/cent/@greywarden100/a-friend-of-mine-from-somee-had-a-bad-experience-on-hive
You speak of freedom of expression, and the user you so vehemently defend used hers to try and gain reward for the same work multiple times, and was warned about it and other such matters. I have no clue about the whole story and I don't care about it...but I'll say this...you've used your freedom of expression here as is your right and I applaud and encourage that.
Now, because you have and enjoy that right, it makes sense that others can also enjoy the same right as you do. Right?
Furthermore, I am not involved in any "downvoting rings". When I downvote I do it of my own free will and independently of others. I make the choice to upvote and downvote and I personally click the button. I wanted to make that very clear because if you persist in linking me with downvoting rings I will take some action...use my freedom of expression so to speak.
So, feel free to continue to use your freedom of expression as you wish, but do not for a moment think that others don't have the same right. Just as you use your freedom of expression in this post, expect others to do the same with upvotes or downvotes. Freedom of expression is for everyone right? I'm sure you agree as you have said so.
That link saved me the trouble of figuring out what this was all about. I can see madam'k's posts just fine despite the low rep like all accounts with 0 and negative rep, their posts/comments can remain visible and it only takes an extra click to see "display post" to do it. The account isn't prevented from interacting with the blockchain or reaching out to other users on the platform.
To Greywarden:
There's no stopping someone to setup multiple bot accounts just to comment spam, see this case: https://peakd.com/@gangstalking/posts for max use of that free speech even when the account is flooded with comments to stfu, no one can stop it because welcome to the decentralized blockchain.
Note 1: I follow Galenkp's downvote trail automatically set.
Note 2: My upvotes oppress people.
Note 3: Depending on the my mood, I may be inspired to shitpost this as a prompt.
You're welcome adamada, a pleasure to save you some time.
Hi @adamada and thank you for joining us. I am aware of gangstalking's account.. However, there is no comparison between @madam-ak's posts and gangstalking. Gangstalking's account is a spam account that spams the same exact messages a trillion times. Yes, i know about the clicking display post to view it. @traciyork explained this to me. The fact that it is visible or not does not excuse the abuse @adamada of collective coordinated downvotes.
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Would the same principle apply to users who coordinate their upvotes? Can coordinated upvotes become an abuse? what if people just collectively agree they like the post, it's not wrong? what if people just collectively disagree and don't like the post? where do you want to put the line in abuse and not when it comes to collective voting?
Very good question @adamada and i am super glad you brought this up. I am under the impression, and there is verifiable facts, even screenshots about what i am going to mention, of coordinated circle jerking upvoting campaigns being attacked.
Every single somee account accused of this crime came under attack and blacklisted because of this. Later they were reinstated however through an appeals process with the Watchers.. I can bring those individuals who were accused and blacklisted for having voting rings to bring more clarity to our conversation here if you wish. So, based on this, the Watchers do indeed consider coordinated upvoting a violation. Unless this has recently changed and i am not aware of it.
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This little hive downvotes war is why I hate social media. A bunch of basement dwelling rats that feel like a czar having the ability to hate on someone just for fun. I thought hive would be different vs the old days of web2 where people create content and the corporation profits off your back, I guess I was wrong in thinking that web3 would be the future of allowing people to create content and earn. This is why hive is trashcan and yet the most underrated blockchain at the same time.
I think you misunderstand the part where I'm just asking for myself and NOT serving as a representative for the Watchers which I have no affiliation to or right to speak on their behalf. As for the blacklisted accounts and etc, if you're referring to the Watchers, they are one organization among many organizations that exist on Hive. They can claim to be official on their own but it's up to whoever wants to believe that in a decentralized ecosystem.
How they define abuse is up to them and other communities don't necessarily have to subscribe to what their definition of abuse is. People can make up their own rules like how coordinated upvotes is ok because the system allows it to be. Coordinated downvotes, while it sucks, is still allowed by the system. It's people that define the abuse and if you want to disagree or agree, you're going to accept the decentralization part of the ecosystem.
Don't generalize my participation with downvoting as being part of the system/group/organization, it can at times but not all the time. I downvote content because I don't like it once in a while. There's a lot of content I'd be downvoting here had I have more time to curate on Hive. Doesn't necessarily mean they violated anything, I just don't like the content or it being rewarded, or whatever floats my boat because freedom of expression.
The fact that can be verified is that everyone can collective use their votes for up and down and be coordinated with it. Voting is still an expression of speech.
Great explanation @amada. I was under the impression that the Watchers were the sole Hive Regulators in the Platform. Thanks for clarifying that for me @adamada, and certainly i am glad the Watchers are not the sole Authority on Hive and that the individual has a say. My apologies for my miss judgment. I will definitely take you at your word that you didn't have bad intentions in all of this. I truly appreciate people as you that are willing to debate matters and bring up great arguments.
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Good morning @galenkp. Yes, i am quite aware of my post and conversation with @traciyork and her concerns about a post she felt violates Hive Rules 6 months ago because it wasn't well sourced. The defendant claims she indeed sourced it and at the time was a SoMee admin. So there was a lot of back and forth about this..
I am not vehemently defending anyone as you falsely accuse me. I am against abuse, retaliation and discrimination. I would defend you if you were the victim of something like that as well. I am not even saying she didn't break rules. All i am however saying is, can you prove every post of hers you downvoted from 10 days ago to 6 days ago is in violation of Hive Rules? I have the trail of recent downvotes and the same names appear. It seems very coordinated. You downvoted every single post she posted from 10 days ago to 6 days ago. Doesn't look like something you just decided to do because of rule breaking. And on top of that fact, you never even left comments in the comment section as to what rules she was breaking prior nor immediately after downvoting every post.
I am not against anyones freedom to downvote as you once more accuse me erroneously. I downvote tons of people when they break the rules and explain to them the reason why i have downvoted them. These people are in my own community, and the majority of them have blocked me from the SoMee main platform because of this. What i do not do is downvote every single post for days, even the ones that do not break any rules, for that would definitely be extremely abusive from my part considering i am an SME whale.
And lastly, can you prove intent? You are assuming she intended to farm digital currency for the same content. I am sorry to break it down to you. But i did not see her publishing the same exact content on any of the posts you downvoted from 10 days ago, to 6 days ago. The fact is that your downvotes seem to be very malicious, and the intent seems malicious and retaliatory. So don't try to spin this and make it look like i am crazy for noticing the obvious here.
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As I said, I don't care what happened. I'll say it again, I don't care what happened.
I also said previously, I am not involved in any "downvoting rings". When I downvote I do it of my own free will and independently of others. I make the choice to upvote and downvote and I personally click the button.
It is not coordinated.
I will take action if you continue to implicate me in a downvoting ring, I am a man of my word which you can test me out on if you like. I am happy to use my freedom of expression and as someone who champions freedom of expression I will assume you will applaud my actions.
Please don't implicate me or involve me in this matter any further, this is me asking you nicely.
This is the last correspondence I will leave you.
Hi galenkp,
After reading @greywarden100 post and your response. I would like to highlight -
It is easy to say "I don't care what happened" AFTER damaging reputation and ring downvoting.
Where there is freedom of speech and expression there is also responsibility. Exploitation of that power is NOT freedom, it's abuse, malicious and a violation.
I understand that each hive user who have been found guilty will try and justify their wrong doing. It is very evident and visible of all the group downvote campaign sprees that are going on to discourage, silence and showcase hate, which damages the hive reputation and violates it.
We may belong to different Social tribes and may not agree with a 'few content' but to aggressively abuse and deny the truth which is clearly visible and saying that you don't care what happened after the damages, then push it on previous incidents, when the names listed are of recent which includes you hence the concerns raised.
Also to clarify there are no repeated content and all posts are sourced. SoMee has it's AMAs so upon Community request, it is published, sourced and the title says SoMee Community AMA. That title can't change as that's what the Summary is about. However, every Summary published when the AMA happens, has useful and important topics discussed, shared, answered and explained in the post to keep the Community informed who were unable to attend. Aside that, we as SoMee Community members are passionate about the project and feel strong and positive about it's progress and output. So yes, we all communicate that through our posts. If hive members don't like our passion then that doesn't really serve the purpose of fulfilling good Social media partnership and tribe unity. You need to embrace, encourage and support the collaboration of various tribes.
Retaliation of this kind doesn’t serve a healthy purpose and the SoMee Community doesn't endorse abuse and malicious downvoting of THIS kind nor does Hive.
I thank all that have contributed towards this post.. Grey Warden for standing up and highlighting the injustice. Those who have come in favour and support to distinguish such violation and put an end to downvoting ring campaigns and abuse. I appreciate and respect you.
So to ALL that are involved, disliking 'a' or 'a few' publications to express is understandable, but reoccurring malicious downvoting ring attacks to abuse and cause damages is undeniably not and unacceptable.
Please work together, not against each other.
Regards
Nope, the three downvotes I issued weren't a matter of opinion. The first post I downvoted (after first leaving a comment to make sure she understood) was an almost exact repost of one @madam-ak had done in October 2022, which had the added issue of being copied from a SoMee tutorial. Regardless of whether she originally wrote it, she still recycled the content.
The second post I downvoted was in response to a post she'd done with a plagiarized photo. As that had already paid out, I downvoted and commented on a post that hadn't yet paid out instead. Because plagiarism is never acceptable.
The third and last downvote was on a post that was again just repeating exactly what someone else said, with no original content. Why would she think she could monetize someone else's work, with or without sourcing?
You both still seem to think this is simply a matter of a difference in opinion, and I suppose in some respects you are correct. However, it is the opinion of the vast majority of the Hive community that people who try to abuse the reward pool through recycling & plagiarism should not be allowed to continue. And that's a fact.
No, this is not a matter of opinions. Rules are rules and need to be followed. The above is for Madam to bring clarity to the exact posts you are referring to that were in violation, as we do need to see the other side as well.
You had your reasons i am sure to downvoting the posts. I never accused you of doing anything illegal. What i do understand is that you went your way and she went hers and there was no further contact between you and her.
The problem is that 6 months later, her account gets collectively downvoted for problems that are completely unrelated to what happened 6 months ago and her reputation taken down below zero. Posts that do not break rules cannot be treated as if they broke rules, unless of course this is the way Hive Operates which would not be fair at all if that is the case.
I'd like to see @madam-ak return and see a counter argument from her regarding this matter you brought up. The only way we can get to the truth of the matter is through putting our right to the freedom of expression in use. Correct information can only be reached through a debate process where the person with the strongest arguments wins the debate. This is precisely why i created this post. So we can get to the truth of this matter. I am not defending anyone, although it might appear that i am defending @madam-ak, i am actually not. I am allowing her to defend herself through this post and a previous one where we can actively engage and get to the truth of the matter. It really makes me happy that you and others are participating in bringing clarity to all of this. However, many things are left without an explanation. Such as why an attack on her reputation for something that happened 6 months ago?