Hi @adamada, @traciyork, and @galenkp.. As i have acquired very useful information from a
Hi @adamada, @traciyork, and @galenkp..
As i have acquired very useful information from all of you and great responses to my concerns. Something very important just came to mind as i was scrolling down somee.blog, and now i have questions. @adamada and @traciyork have been very helpful.
I am not sure if any of you are aware that SoMee is a micro-blogging platform. That is why individuals post about their day at work, details and pictures of when they are out in a restaurant, coffee pics, feet up on a table and more things that Hiveans may consider shit posting.
It was no surprise to me that most of these posts get downvoted by Hive accounts. As @adamada said, many of these posts do not break rules, and they do not need to for them to get downvoted by Hiveans that simply dislike them. If Hiveans view micro-blogging as poor quality, i completely understand why those would get downvoted even if they aren't effecting the Hive Pool, but the SME pool instead.
I at least understand, and correct me if i am wrong, that most people's attention spans are very poor. I can't say that about Hiveans I've met and other communities here, as i have found people such as i that love to write and express themselves. Unfortunately we aren't the majority here, and this is precisely what is leading to my question. Should we be downvoting shit posts that have zero effects on the Hive pools, which most of them end up as staked SME or something else?
I know @adamada mentioned that reputation means nothing and are only digits. However, most people take downvoting very personally and if you add the reputation problem ontop of that, it makes matters even worse. Wouldn't you agree that doing this runs many people away from Hive, and may hurt Hive's chances of getting massively adopted?
Molding people to become professional bloggers may not be a good idea for mass adoption. Or am i wrong? Please leave your responses in the comment section. I'd love to see the worldview of others as well!
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Careful about generalizing Hiveans distaste for micoblogging, some but not all and dont let the minority represent everyone else. Its a personal take but if I see low effort posts get rewarded like 2 to 3 digits of $, in my opinion, that picture of a flower you took or what you ate isnt worth hundred dollars but that's just me. Someone else can upvote you becauae they like you or the picture ans that's none of my business.
Coming from a place where I have also been downvoted by a group for petty diaagreements and I still get sporadic downvotes from a nutcase that cant go away after YEARS since the incident, I can say for certain that maybe this decentralized and freedom of speech is really real. I can get my rep to negative because I pissed off someone and it would just appear as some big guy downvoting me to oblivion but my posts are still visible and people can see the reason why I got negative rep for only disagreeing. Does that make my reputation as a person less? I only lost some digits but I still get to express the hell I want because decentralized and less about token rewards.
I dont think people are really into free speech unless it talks about what they already agree on. If you can totally ban someone you disagree by downvotes, maybe Hive blockchain isnt the place for that type of freedom of speech because downvotes dont shut people up here. Make noise at - 20 rep and you can still be visible.
When people complain about downvotes 9/10 its really just a loss of token rewards and less about the content. Because someone is a negative rep, they are unlikely to get voted on and getting voted on means gaining money. And dissect the root of their motivations, they just want to be paid for having an opinion. Its not for all, there's the 1/10 that really are in it for the freedom of speech and just want to say whats on their mind regardless they get internet points or tokens for it.
I say many people arent ready for free speech because decentralization also means dealing with people you disagree and label toxic to your belief system. I embrace the fact that there can be several people coming at me for sharing a piece of my mind, get downvoted for my opinions, and etc but I wont hold it against them for disagreeing, they get the same privilege to express the hell they want too.
Yeah, i completely understand it is not all Hiveans of course. Not even the majority for that matter. I shouldn't have generalized by saying Hiveans not liking this nor that. However, posting great blogs and content is extremely popular on Hive to be completely honest. Which may lead people to believe that micro-blogging may be unpopular and discouraged. Furthermore, the way people post on Hive, may even be discouraging to others that don't come no where near posting so professionally. Some people have a hard time putting a sentence together.
There's also Dbuzz built on top of Hive that focuses on micro-blogging and Leofinance community with their Leo Threads. Different frontends, same blockchain. You only need the majority to agree and then it becomes the norm. I just see long posts becoming popular because that's what the large stakeholders prefer and there's positive reinforcement from large upvotes. Microblogging will be popular if there were more large stake holders also doing positive reinforcement. But my take, I don't really want to encourage easy money culture where posting a pic and a few words to get substantial upvotes is the sell. You attract the wrong crowd with that but that's just me. If a pro photographer or artist just posted their works with 1 pic, that's the exception I'd make when upvoting because those outputs require more hours than taking a selfie and writing an inspirational quote from someone else.
I couldn't agree more with this..
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As long as no copyright infringement is claimed i see no reason to create a mob of downvoters to bully those who wish to express their right to shit post. Remember free speech, censure free? Don’t become an oppressor because you dont like what the other person does in the project you care about. Somee is for everyone not only those who view thing the way you see them…
While my involvement in this situation was purely about abuse (recycling content and plagiarism), and @adamada has pretty much said it all (very well, I might add), I will add a bit more. I do curation work for some projects and have no problem recommending/upvoting short posts (aka micro-blogging) if it's obvious some thought went into it. I know I'm not alone in that either.
I don't think the majority of the community is working towards "molding people to become professional bloggers" - it's more that members who see people seemingly trying to abuse the reward pool for coins tend to show their displeasure with their downvotes. And they might blanket downvote an account if they feel it's been a "bad actor" of sorts, regardless of the quality of individual posts, as a way to get their point across.
And I completely agree with @adamada's statement, "When people complain about downvotes 9/10 its really just a loss of token rewards and less about the content." I know some people who have been downvoted for years, but it doesn't stop them from posting because they're here for the community, and not so concerned about the crypto.
The upvote/downvote system here isn't perfect, but given the decentralized nature of the blockchain, it's far less Wild West than it could be, and it's getting better all the time. In my humble opinion, of course. 😊
Oh, and yes, I'm well aware that SoMee is a microblogging platform - there are a few of those on Hive, and I'm sure there are more on the way, which I think is awesome. But it also means more time needs to be spent educating people that "shit posting" in whatever form that takes, is not seen favorably here in the same way it is on web 2 platforms.
I guess, at the end of the day, a person is free to do as they wish: Micro-blog, longer blogs, upvotes and downvotes. It irks me when people talk about freedom of expression but then seek to inhibit other people's freedom of expression.
I've got nothing to add otherwise, you and @adamada have said it, and very well too.
For me I came to hive because of somee which is a micro blogging platform, writing long post is way out of my reach, last week I saw a somee users that quit using somee because he has constantly been downvoted for not writing long post.
I think the hive community should start seeing somee as a micro blog this will go a long way.
Can you tell me the username of this individual that quit?
GreyWarden yeah masroorejaz also Christopher post on hive have been downvoted to zero with his reputation at minus
hi gina.bella
No, he actually wasn't downvoted for not making long posts. He was downvoted for not sourcing Memes and images. Please check his posts. I upvoted his last post and told him that he needs to source his memes and images because of copyright laws. His Reputation is super low because of this.
The length of the post is irrelevant. The post can be very short. But images and memes on the post need to be sourced. I think i told him i can teach him how to do that. He can also take examples from various posts where i put an image and link it to its source.
gina.bella Tell masroorejaz to use google image search to source memes and images. That is what i do
GreyWarden okay now I see why he got downvote thanks for the clarity
I came to know SoMee through an invitation published on LeoFinance by @mikedcrypto. I think that was more than a year ago. After a few weeks of observation, I was puzzled about a certain disconnect between Hive and SoMee. I thought that perhaps there was something in the past that explains such. And then microblogging came. I see #DBuzz as the Hive pioneer in this and then there is SoMee and later LeoFinance popularized it. And so I think SoMeeans' short posts have a place on Hive.
Regarding "shit posts" receiving upvotes by SoMeean whales and downvoted by "mainstream" Hivers, that to me is a reality in this so-called democratic and decentralized platform. Overall, it's great to read this kind of conversation between "mainstream" Hivers and SoMeeans.
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